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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804283" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804283">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> ; the triage meeting will be starting in 1 hours 29 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804386" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804386">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will be doing <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-meeting.20triage.202019-10-10.20.2354818/near/177804332" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/pre-meeting.20triage.202019-10-10.20.2354818/near/177804332">pre-triage in a parallel topic</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804401" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804401">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>This week's WG checkins are with Learning and LLVM</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804408" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804408">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn't even know we <em>had</em> a WG-learning...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804456">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah I see, its about providing resources for rustc developers</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804473" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804473">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:33)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> do you think you could present an update on behalf of WG-learning?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804490">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> , do you think you could present an update on behalf of WG-LLVM ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804533">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:34)</a>:</h4>
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<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> do you think you could present an update on behalf of WG-learning?</p>
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<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804586" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804586">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I haven’t been following what was happening as part of that WG for a couple of months already, but I can try to draft a short summary, yes.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804736">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> okay, thanks! Going forward, should we try to add an additional lead for WG-LLVM so that you don't have  to worry about future checkins?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804763" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804763">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133224">@Nikita Popov</span> serves that role already</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804883">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I’ll chat with them about adding them to the list of leads.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177804885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177804885">(Oct 10 2019 at 12:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>great thanks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812435" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812435">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hi <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812461" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812461">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>We'll spend the first five minutes with the floor open to announcements</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812582">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm working on a PR to split libsyntax along data/logic lines and to make librustc not depend on some large parts (like the parser and macro stuff)</p>



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<p>So on my side, a technicality, I finally released the cross-platform version of stacker, enabling us to use it in the compiler. A couple of years more and stack overflows in the compiler will no longer be a concern.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812765" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812765">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, here's another annoucement: We have a design meeting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/175" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/175">scheduled tomorrow</a> to discuss <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> 's series of PR's for migrating rustc_interface queries.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812835" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812835">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
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<p>I'm working on a PR to split libsyntax along data/logic lines and to make librustc not depend on some large parts (like the parser and macro stuff)</p>
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<p>hey <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> -- very timely -- <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> and I were just chatting about trying to make more of a documented procedure around big refactorings. Part of it would be declaring an "intent to implement" and part of it would be around trying to document the design you wound up with (perhaps after doing some exploration). So thanks for announcing. <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812855" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812855">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:05)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Oh, here's another annoucement: We have a design meeting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/175" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/issues/175">scheduled tomorrow</a> to discuss <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116466">Zoxc</span> 's series of PR's for migrating rustc_interface queries.</p>
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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> I <em>think</em> you did <a href="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/upcoming.20design.20meeting.202019-10-11/near/177724939" title="#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/upcoming.20design.20meeting.202019-10-11/near/177724939">confirm</a> that you think you'll be awake at the time of the meeting?</p>



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<p>Another thing we could talk about would be specifically the persistent dep-graph loading PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812952" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812952">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., if we want to narrow the topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812971" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812971">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>which would also be in <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> 's wheelhouse, but would be easier to prepare for, yes?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177812985" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177812985">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
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<p>Another thing we could talk about would be specifically the lazy dep-graph loading PR</p>
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<p>I think that's orthogonal to the currently proposed topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813006">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>My point is mostly that Zoxc recently posted a <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62038#issuecomment-540508308" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62038#issuecomment-540508308">short writeup</a> to the PR</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813015">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>so some of the prep is done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813027" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813027">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah intent to implement sounds like a cool lightweight process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813107" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813107">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>on the subject of intent-to-implement</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813190" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813190">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am/was planning on revising the code that handles the structural-match checking (that's the const_to_pat fun I alluded to earlier); this is related to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61188" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/61188">#61188</a> and other bugs.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813269" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813269">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>Probably worth pointing out my new "universes" PR, also: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65232" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65232">#65232</a></p>
<p>This is an important step towards lazy normalization, as it enables us to generate "obligations" from inside unification that don't have to be completed within the same stack frame.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813376" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813376">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Lets call that the end of "five minutes" for announcements. (privmsg me if you want time at end for extra announcements)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813397" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813397">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>Oh, one other thing:</p>
<p>In <a class="stream" data-stream-id="144729" href="/#narrow/stream/144729-wg-traits">#wg-traits</a>, we're planning on creating a weekly design meeting. Precise time not yet determined, prob Mon/Wed at 2pm. It'll be recorded. The idea is to have a space to talk over things in detail and also to help people follow along and learn more about the overall traits design.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813440" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813440">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>so with announcements "over", lets do <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=label%3Abeta-nominated+label%3AT-compiler" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;q=label%3Abeta-nominated+label%3AT-compiler">beta-nominations</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813476">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are four unaccepted nominations</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813530" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813530">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> nice work on that lattice drawing btw, very readable / intuitive stuff</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813535" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813535">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>beta-nom: "Ensure that associated <code>async fn</code>s have unique fresh param names <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65142" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65142">#65142</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813627">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I take it this gets the usual "its async-await so we'll prioritize backport", right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813629">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>looks like it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813643" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813643">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's also like super trivial</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813647" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813647">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay beta accepted then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813655">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>This PR passes all of my backportability checks too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813673" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813673">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>beta-nom: "Account for macro invocation in <code>let mut $pat</code> diagnostic. <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65123" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65123">#65123</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813772" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813772">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me needs to learn to script the Zulip UI</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813781">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>Originally an ICE, small fix, tested.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813828" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813828">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay beta-accept I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813889" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813889">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>beta-nom: " Fix the start/end byte positions in the compiler JSON output" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074">#65074</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177813979" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177813979">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814005" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814005">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is fairly involved</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814040" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814040">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not quite seeing the motivation for backport</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814042" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814042">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>so is the reason to back port this ... so that rustfix acts better ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814045">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>It also hasn't landed yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814071" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814071">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I lean towards "no" myself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814090">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>given that this had to be r-ed once and it is fairly large it feels rather risky and for little gain</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814120" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814120">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>If I'm not mistaken, this is a long-standing problem, seems ok for the fix to ride the trains</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814143" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814143">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay, lets decline to backport</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814172">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>beta-nom: " extract expected return type for async fn generators" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64999" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64999">#64999</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814222" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814222">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay so this PR injected an ICE (good thing we waited a week)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814244">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep. fairly trivial one, but still.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814247" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814247">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>the fix for the ICE is in PR <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65235" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65235">#65235</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814268" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814268">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>imo even tho this is async-await it is sufficiently large that I would like this to ride the trains</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814322">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's fine to ride the trains</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814324" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814324">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's a really big PR. is it that urgent?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814328" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814328">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>What is the impact of this PR?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814342" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814342">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>Looks like improvement for diagnostics</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814343" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814343">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>The impact is that we successfully compile things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814348" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814348">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> accepting more code due to better type inference</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814364">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>It seems like "ride the trains" is the consensus</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814365" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814365">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>what is workaround, if any, without it landed?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814367" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814367">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm good w/ that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814373">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:20)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>what is workaround, if any, without it landed?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>explicit coercion, or -- once it lands -- use nightly :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814394" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814394">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<div class="codehilite"><pre><span></span><span class="k">pub</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="n">async</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="k">fn</span> <span class="nf">test3</span><span class="p">()</span><span class="w"> </span>-&gt; <span class="nb">Box</span><span class="o">&lt;</span><span class="n">dyn</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="n">Debug</span><span class="o">&gt;</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="p">{</span><span class="w"></span>
<span class="w">    </span><span class="kd">let</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="n">tmp</span><span class="w"> </span>: <span class="nb">Box</span><span class="o">&lt;</span><span class="n">dyn</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="n">Debug</span><span class="o">&gt;</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="o">=</span><span class="w"> </span><span class="nb">Box</span>::<span class="n">new</span><span class="p">(</span><span class="s">&quot;asdf&quot;</span><span class="p">);</span><span class="w"></span>
<span class="w">    </span><span class="n">tmp</span><span class="w"></span>
<span class="p">}</span><span class="w"></span>
</pre></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814429">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>is there a good way to document that on whatever issue is likely to come up in response to a search of our github repo?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814441">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh its already there</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814442" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814442">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60424" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/60424">#60424</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814447" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814447">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay I'm okay with that then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814494" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814494">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814505" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814505">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay then lets decline to backport</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814529" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814529">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's all the beta-nominations then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814535" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814535">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:22)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>imo even tho this is async-await it is sufficiently large that I would like this to ride the trains</p>
</blockquote>
<p>(Just for the record, I'm softening on my "backport the async-await things" stance as we get further into the cycle. I suspect most people will still use nightly for their "day to day" coding experience for some time yet, to get e.g. best error messages and so forth, even if stable suffices for the CI etc.)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814568">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems sensible <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814587" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814587">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are two PR's marked waiting-on-team: <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3AS-waiting-on-team+label%3AT-compiler" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3AS-waiting-on-team+label%3AT-compiler">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pulls?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Apr+label%3AS-waiting-on-team+label%3AT-compiler</a></p>



<a name="177814592"></a>
<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814592" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814592">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>side note, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="126931">@centril</span> or others, if you know how to extract what the error is <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/65235#issuecomment-540178791" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/65235#issuecomment-540178791">from this azure logs</a> I'd be appreciative :) I can't tell</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814632">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>we'll skip <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59064" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59064">#59064</a> (its an old <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116466">@Zoxc</span> one, maybe we'll talkk about it tomorrow, or maybe not)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814694" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814694">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>but PR "minimize the rust-std component" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64823" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/64823">#64823</a>  is also S-waiting-on-team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814741">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>somewhat large comment thread on the PR itself</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814781">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>silly question: Is T-compiler actually the right team to decide this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814819">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> lol :D t-core seems to think so? I was thinking it should be t-release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814830" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814830">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>in any case I don't think we can really dive into this sensibly in this meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814890" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814890">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but yeah, lets at least resolve that question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814895">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>( The fact that I am on t-release is a coincidence! :D )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814900">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>T-compiler does not seem the right team for this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814910" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814910">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>thumbs up if you think that this should be moved to T-release</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814944" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814944">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that's just me adding the template as usual, I didn't vote against it)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814972">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> here you go <a href="https://dev.azure.com/rust-lang/e71b0ddf-dd27-435a-873c-e30f86eea377/_apis/build/builds/10326/logs/799" target="_blank" title="https://dev.azure.com/rust-lang/e71b0ddf-dd27-435a-873c-e30f86eea377/_apis/build/builds/10326/logs/799">https://dev.azure.com/rust-lang/e71b0ddf-dd27-435a-873c-e30f86eea377/_apis/build/builds/10326/logs/799</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177814990" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177814990">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think that there isn't a perfect team for this; it's sort of out of the t-compiler wheelhouse, for sure. I sometimes think we need a "product team" that encompasses cargo, rustc, dev-tools, libs, and lang, and it might be the right spot for this. But I am ok with T-release for now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815011" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815011">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>wasnt there a tools team at some point?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815034" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815034">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>There is a tools team, it's called dev-tools</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815041" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815041">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>or is that narrower than what you descrbe? I geuss so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815046" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815046">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815101">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>( And yes that is narrower, as it is focused on individual tools like clippy )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815105" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815105">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I didn't mean to introduce a digression :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815127" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815127">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>lets move it to T-release. And hey, if any of you on <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="492">@T-compiler</span> want to chime in or object, I figure you're welcome to write a comment there.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815134" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815134">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>My pitch for T-release: we make the actual releases and contain the people who know how to fix the issues here ^^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815164">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>(not myself, rather pietro, simulacrum, Josh stone, ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815182" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815182">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay. last thing before WG checkins:nominated issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815199">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>nom: "Star Import Precedence Regression in Beta" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65090" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65090">#65090</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815213" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815213">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I nominated this because I triaged it as P-medium</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815222" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815222">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I wanted to make sure everyone was okay with that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815306" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815306">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:30)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65090" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65090">#65090</a> is categorized as a "regression" but my understanding is that it is an old bug that is exposed due to a change in macro expansion order</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815362" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815362">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>so, if you object and think this should get P-high treatment like "other regressions", feel free to comment here, or on the issue, as you like.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815391" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815391">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>last nom: "Rustdoc support API in rustc" <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59790" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59790">#59790</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815420" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815420">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I nominated this last week because I wanted to understand if there was actually any actionable items here or not. cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> cc <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span>  ^</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815482" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815482">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not up to date on this at all</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815497" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815497">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>i'm not sure if there's anything to be up-to-date on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815499" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815499">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh it's <em>that</em> thing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815502" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815502">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Side note: I wonder if we can document the "major queries" and their role</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815519" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815519">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>in some nice way...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815535" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815535">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>not entirely side because this seems to be a question of "which queries should rustdoc be using"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815591" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815591">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>idk why oli opened this issue at all. those PRs of mine have been blocked for ages on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953">#59953</a> which is only now close to review/merge</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815593">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>it sounds like this is actually not a problem?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815595">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>is this worth devoting a design meeting to? Seems like an overall process question to be resolved, <em>maybe</em>.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815681" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815681">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>is there really demand for rustdoc specific features?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815686">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have at least a few</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815693" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815693">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>(mostly because I expected <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953">#59953</a> to be a slam-dunk)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815696">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>idk why oli opened this issue at all. those PRs of mine have been blocked for ages on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953">#59953</a> which is only now close to review/merge</p>
</blockquote>
<p>My inference is that it was because <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> wants rustdoc's needs to go through an explict interface that we'd identify as for rustdoc ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815707">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and I don't see how that relates to <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953">#59953</a> ...?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815716">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><code>rustdoc_foobar</code> seems sensible to me if it means not making problems in rustc code</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815729" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815729">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'd be fine with having queries that only rustdoc needs as long as they are marked as such and are not "hacks"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815737" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815737">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> I think there were performance issues that <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59953">#59953</a> would fix</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815779" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815779">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>ah, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> okay now I see. But I think <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> 's concern wasn't about that one speciifc bug</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815812">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>it was about "how do we provide one-off hacks to rustdoc in a controlled fashion", i think?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815861">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>that was also my inference</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815865">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>still, I disagree with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> as I wrote in my comments on the issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815868" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815868">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do think that longer term it'd be nice if rustdoc had a more "stable" interface through a set of <code>rustdoc_</code> queries -- or, ideally, some stable-ish "external" queries that are also used by other tools like clippy/IDEs -- but I guess for now it's "ok" the way it is.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815872" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815872">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we <em>do</em> need a design meeting here. :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815888" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815888">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>if we were going to do a design meeting though I think we'd be talking about that?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815892" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815892">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's no need for one-off hacks most of the time, just a tiny bit of design work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815912" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815912">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>rustdoc shouldn't be literally a pile of hacks, that's not a good direction to head in IMO</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815934" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815934">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>rustdoc shouldn't be literally a pile of hacks, that's not a good direction to head in IMO</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I disagree :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815949" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815949">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> it should be a pile of hacks? :D</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815951" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815951">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Pile of hacks! Pile of hacks!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815962" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815962">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, sorry, just kidding :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815978" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815978">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>is rustdoc rustc's bad bank?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815991" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815991">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> anyway I don't think there's anything productive in that issue, other than we should coordinate more on rustdoc and maybe take care of it more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177815995" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177815995">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, we shouldn't sacrfice rustdoc's functionality in the name of API purity, maybe?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816045" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816045">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that's my way of saying "Pile of hacks!")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816052" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816052">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116083">@pnkfelix</span> there are principled ways to do just about anything</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816056" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816056">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think "pile of hacks" is really a fair characterization :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816068">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>classic "best enemy of good" or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816074">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>but regardless we should try to keep things nice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816082" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816082">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, I'm not sure what we're talking about here :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816111">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Title suggestion: "How to make ad-hoc hacks less ad-hoc"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816114">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think its sounds like people are generally opposed to adding the convention <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> proposed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816129" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816129">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>because that would likely just <em>encourage</em> hacks?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816145" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816145">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>in the name of "well its labelled so its safe"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816156" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816156">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>we do have a couple things which are mostly (or only?) for rustdoc, and they have no prefix I don't think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816162" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816162">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>see also: how rustdoc managed to add a dependence on everybody-loops</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816178" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816178">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think something that only rustdoc needs is necessarily a hack</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816217" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816217">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>but it does help if it is marked clearly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816242">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>in terms of seeing the dependencies clearer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816257" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816257">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>aside: is there a stan4j rust equivalent?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> eddyb <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816260">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. function argument names and pretty-printed <code>const</code> bodies, cross-crate</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816267" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816267">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think its sounds like people are generally opposed to adding the convention <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="124288">oli</span> proposed</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I am not :) I think the convention is fine. It's just not an excuse to land any old thing, obviously.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816298">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay. Lets leave <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59790" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59790">#59790</a> open then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816322" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816322">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>it sounds like there <em>may</em> be action to take here</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816338" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816338">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>the specific question of <em>which</em> action is maybe up in the air</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816370">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>and I'll unnominate it, because I'm satisfied now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816459" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816459">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(and if anyone wants to archive their thoughts on the matter, feel free to leave a comment on that issue)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816476" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816476">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>So that's everything on the agenda I think</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816486">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, apart from WG-checkins!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816489" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816489">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds like <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> and <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="119009">@eddyb</span> should battle it out? ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816495" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816495">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> you want to start with a checkin from WG-learning ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816515" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816515">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:42)</a>:</h4>
<h1>WG-Learning update</h1>
<h2>Past</h2>
<p>We are trying to write rustc-guide chapters from the different <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBxMRSNYr4&amp;list=PL85XCvVPmGQhOL-J2Ng7qlPvDVOwYpGTN" target="_blank" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBxMRSNYr4&amp;list=PL85XCvVPmGQhOL-J2Ng7qlPvDVOwYpGTN">compiler lectures series</a>.</p>
<p>We have a lot of people engaged in the group but most (maybe all?) of the team members are new to the compiler.</p>
<p>Some weeks ago we figured that assigning each individual volunteer to a different lecture as you can see in the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-guide/projects/2" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-guide/projects/2">project</a>, ended in a too complex task for each one.</p>
<h2>Present</h2>
<p>So we decided to work collectively and we are going after the <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-guide/issues/375" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rustc-guide/issues/375">ty lecture</a> since then. We are aiming to collectively produce a chapter out of that lecture and a lot of progress have been made and <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1380">@WG-learning</span> members seems to be happy :). <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Ty-lecture-summary--Almbjo_id6n8CKrOHlsTMG2dAg-4jFj9bVOLlW7uhIOWHITX" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/Ty-lecture-summary--Almbjo_id6n8CKrOHlsTMG2dAg-4jFj9bVOLlW7uhIOWHITX">This is what we have for now</a> but the most important achievement, IMHO, is that we seemed to have figured out a way to work towards getting more content to the rustc-guide. So the future seems to be bright in this regard :).</p>
<div class="youtube-video message_inline_image"><a data-id="elBxMRSNYr4" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBxMRSNYr4&amp;list=PL85XCvVPmGQhOL-J2Ng7qlPvDVOwYpGTN" target="_blank" title="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elBxMRSNYr4&amp;list=PL85XCvVPmGQhOL-J2Ng7qlPvDVOwYpGTN"><img src="https://i.ytimg.com/vi/elBxMRSNYr4/default.jpg"></a></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816572" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816572">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>oh nice! I hadn't had time to see the "WIP"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816632">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, no worries when is finished or there are existential doubts we will try to reach you :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816690" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816690">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>how "far" are you through the lecture?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816697">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>do you feel ready for part 2? :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816745" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816745">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>so ... I need to invest some time to finish some parts and leave more stuff to be filled by the rest of the members</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816767">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>we probably need to organize a bit on that regard</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816805" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816805">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:45)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>do you feel ready for part 2? :P</p>
</blockquote>
<p>definitely, I guess you meant to dive more into Ty things?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816867" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816867">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I dont' remember how far that lecture got, but I'm confident there are areas we could dive into more deeply</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816881" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816881">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway i'll skim chapter :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816920">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>I should skim it too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816922">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's more stuff to cover yeah, like <code>TypeFoldable</code> to mention something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816945">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>from my quick skim over though it seems pretty great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816964">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>/me writes yet another post-it note to-do</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177816967" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177816967">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's not finished, but if you want to go ahead now do so, otherwise I can ping you both when I feel it's closer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817037" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817037">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay thanks <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> !</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817111">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> do you have anything to report from WG-LLVM ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817116" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817116">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:48)</a>:</h4>
<p><strong> WG-LLVM </strong></p>
<ul>
<li>We have upgraded to the LLVM 9 release;<ul>
<li>Which allows us to replace some the emscripten stuff with LLVM’s toolchain. The less emscripten we have to deal with, the better!</li>
<li>As part of these upgrades we will likely end up dropping support for the super old LLVM 6, which in turn allows us to stop building the unnecessary Go&amp;OCaml bindings to LLVM, which in turn helps rustc build times slightly;</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>People are also working on enabling use of the new pass manager, which might give us some tangible code quality improvements over the status quo;</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817206">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>Whatever happened with the "insert noop to suppress optimization" PR?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817209" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817209">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p>I haven’t been following happenings in the WG too closely lately, so I might have missed a bunch. These stood out as the most important ones.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817241">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Whatever happened with the "insert noop to suppress optimization" PR?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>is that the same as llvm.sideeffect ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817242">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Whatever happened with the "insert noop" PR?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'm still waiting for that to land (behind a flag) for performance testing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817252" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817252">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> for the <code>loop {}</code> optimisation? It is still open I believe.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817270" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817270">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:49)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>is that the same as llvm.sideeffect ?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>that's the one I meant, yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817346" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817346">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok. Is it blocked on anything in particular?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817356" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817356">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll just go check, nm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817381" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817381">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>PR <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59546" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/59546">#59546</a>: "Add llvm.sideeffect to potential infinite loops and recursions"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817399" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817399">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>It appears that it is not blocked at all, I should review it again.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817409" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817409">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:50)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, seems like it's good to go</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817445" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817445">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Cool</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817467" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817467">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>sounds like awesome things are happening in WG-LLVM, <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> !</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817486" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817486">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey, just saw comment on <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/65074#issuecomment-540621524" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/65074#issuecomment-540621524">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/65074#issuecomment-540621524</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817492" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817492">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>Would be good to set a deadline for making the -Z flag the default</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817504" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817504">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>General consensus was that this is a long-standing problem</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I am not sure this is true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817509">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:51)</a>:</h4>
<p>the detail about sideeffect on entry vs call is interesting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817559" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817559">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>In particular, regression for <code>\r\n</code> is pretty fresh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817594" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817594">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>(this is regarding declined beta nom of PR <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074">#65074</a> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817614">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>but</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817619">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p>before we discuss that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817632" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817632">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:52)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="123586">@nagisa</span> is there more from WG-LLVM ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817641">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>no don't think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817642" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817642">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817643" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817643">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>Like... 6 months tops for the sideeffect thing and then I think the soundness hole needs to be closed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817667">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p>regarding <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/65074">#65074</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817697" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817697">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:53)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> what are expected benefits of backporting? Why does this need to be rushed?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817763" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817763">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>Basically, rustfix is broken on windows at the moment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817766">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<p>is the main problem with use of <code>rustfix</code> on windows?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817817" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817817">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:54)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>In particular, regression for <code>\r\n</code> is pretty fresh</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hmm.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817823" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817823">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Seems bad.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817832">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:55)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is there a more targeted fix we could backport?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177817972" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177817972">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>we should at least let it be merged first and see if it works in the wild, right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818004" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818004">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>well we've accepted some others things prior to merge.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818012" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818012">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but usually they were trivial PRs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818035" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818035">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>(or rush situations, i.e. pending beta release)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818044" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> mw <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818044">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>but there's no downside to revisiting it next week, is there?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818047" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818047">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:56)</a>:</h4>
<p>We can try reveting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818091" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818091">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>We can try reveting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>I was tempted to suggest this, so I'm glad <em>you</em> brought it up</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818101" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818101">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>we should at least let it be merged first and see if it works in the wild, right?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Right, sorry for applying the label for not yet merged commit :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818141" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818141">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>has <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948">#62948</a> made it to stable?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818159" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818159">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:57)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>We can try reveting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/62948</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>I'd probably prefer that (for beta)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818230" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818230">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(but I was assuming it hadn't reached stable)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818250" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818250">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>landed August 18th ...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818277" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818277">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>(we need to make a tool for this)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818280" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818280">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:58)</a>:</h4>
<p>I assumed it didn't, but I had to double-check</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818307" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818307">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>woah could we have a label automaticaly get added</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818313" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818313">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>seems reasonable to revert on beta</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818344">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>"on-stable", "on-beta" etc...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818351" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818351">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> by what bot?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818357" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818357">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>please not homu</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818361" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818361">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>homu is a pile of hacks</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818370">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok ok nm digression</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818372">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>yep lets have rustdoc do it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818374" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nagisa <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818374">(Oct 10 2019 at 14:59)</a>:</h4>
<p>The same one which would nag about T-flags missing on nominated issues, probably highfive?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818475" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818475">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway I too would prefer reverting <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948">#62948</a> on beta, <em>if</em> it hasn't hit stable yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818483">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="133169">@matklad</span> can you look into this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818503" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818503">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I'll do!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818509" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818509">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we can just vote now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818526" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818526">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>revert PR <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/62948">#62948</a> on beta if it hasn't reached stable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818593">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>(talk about hacks, I'm having us vote before there's even a PR ...)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818612" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818612">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818614" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818614">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>((but I assume this PR would be beta only anyway...))</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818636" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818636">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>Sept. 26    Announcing Rust 1.38.0</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818699" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> matklad <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818699">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Checked, it's in beta and not in stable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818718" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818718">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay great</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818726" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> centril <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818726">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yep that jives with the blog post date</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818729" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818729">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'll leave a follow up note then</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818936" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818936">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay hey that was awesome i think we actually got through everything</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818954" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818954">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>thanks everybody that is how a meeting is supposed to work!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177818969" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> pnkfelix <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177818969">(Oct 10 2019 at 15:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>(that is, thanks to everyone in <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="897">@T-compiler/meeting</span> !)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177849837" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177849837">(Oct 10 2019 at 20:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>ps <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span> -- not sure if you planned to make minutes? I was thinking of trying to write them up in blog post form and post to Inside Rust</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177850458" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177850458">(Oct 10 2019 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I was going to do that this evening.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177850487" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177850487">(Oct 10 2019 at 20:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you want them in the usual format or something different?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177850899" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177850899">(Oct 10 2019 at 20:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>(<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116009">@nikomatsakis</span> )</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905195" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905195">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:09)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125250">@Wesley Wiser</span> actually minutes in the usual format are probably good -- I was thinking it'd be cool to have a weekly blog post from compile team with highlights from the triage meeting and design meeting (if any)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905214" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905214">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I made a point in this meeting of using <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span> to designate things I thought might be good to highlight in that post this week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905269" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905269">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>do you think you'd want to write such a blog post?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905276" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905276">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't imagine it has to be very long, more "highlights"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905331" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905331">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, I'd definitely be interested!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905344" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905344">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's notes I posted last night here <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/197" target="_blank" title="https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/197">https://github.com/rust-lang/compiler-team/pull/197</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905501" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905501">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>merged :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177905510" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177905510">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>those are pretty close to the blog post I have in mind, indeed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly%20meeting%202019-10-10%20%2354818/near/177906308" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Wesley Wiser <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/131828-t-compiler/topic/weekly.20meeting.202019-10-10.20.2354818.html#177906308">(Oct 11 2019 at 13:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ok cool! I'll go back and make sure all the <span aria-label="point up" class="emoji emoji-1f446" role="img" title="point up">:point_up:</span> comments were included and then open a PR on blog.rlo with a slightly more cleaned up version.</p>



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